of problems. >> the president argued that restoring the prison island off the coast of san francisco would serve as a symbol of law, order and justice. given its history of once housing some of the most dangerous criminals in the country, including al capone and whitey bulger. but as the bureau of prisons acknowledges on its own website, the rock, as it became known, was nearly three times more expensive to operate than any other federal prison. that's why it's been closed since 1963. now, three people did escape alcatraz in 1962. they were never found. the bureau of prisons, though, says on its website that the idea that there are man eating sharks in the san francisco bay is a myth. thanks so much for joining us tonight. cnn news night with abby phillip is up next. >> tonight we the people. lost in translation. >> don't you need to uphold the constitution of the united states as president?

>> i don't know. >> the backbone of american democracy takes a chill up the spine. plus another tariff, another topic, another target. why? trump proves he's making up the fate of the economy as he goes. also. >> we don't have a radar, so i don't know where you are. >> flying blind days of delays at one of america's busiest airports begs the question who is at the controls and make alcatraz great again? why? support for maga's new law and order. dream may be on an island. live at the table. scott jennings, jemele hill bashar al-assad sargon, charles blow, and jason carter americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here they do. good evening, i'm abby phillip

in new york. let's get right to what america is talking about a civics test. when presidents raise their right hands, they pledge to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. but donald trump is apparently keeping his options open. >> don't you need to uphold the constitution of the united states as president? >> i don't know, i have to respond by saying, again, i have brilliant lawyers that work for me, and they are going to obviously follow what the supreme court said. >> the exchange was over deportations and due process, which several judges have ruled. trump's actions are indeed unconstitutional. but this is a notable moment in politics since for the right, for decades, they have made america's document the centerpiece of its governing and moral philosophy. >> this is a pocket. >> copy of the constitution and declaration of independence.

>> i spent. >> 40 years, 40 years of my life studying this. >> because i believe. >> in this document written by the hands of wise men, raised up by god to that very purpose. >> the constitution starts with the three most important words outside the bible we, the people. >> didn't you take an. >> oath to this? >> the constitution. >> of the. >> united states? doesn't this supersede everything else? >> our constitution is the supreme law of the land. >> every decision that i make starts with asking the questions. is this constitutional? >> this is not a prop and i don't carry it. a prop. >> joining us in our fifth seat at the table is attorney dante mills. he is a law professor at temple university. dante, i don't think it requires a law degree to understand what the constitution says. is it just me? it seems like that's kind of a cop out for just the plain text, which actually, if you're a conservative, that is how they read the document. >> the simple.

>> answer should be i will follow the constitution, especially if you're the president of the united states. but i want to have a logical conversation. and there's a quote that donald trump said. he said i was elected to get them the hell out of here, and the courts are holding me back from doing so. that shows his rationale. he thinks that the courts are acting against him, but the court's job is not to advance or to fight against the presidential policy. it's to make sure that they interpret these laws fair with fairness. and the one thing the courts do that i think president trump is missing here, the courts determine or look at what if you're wrong? what if they're not a criminal? what if they're not a gang member? what if they're not an immigrant? they're an american citizen and you put them in jail anyway? and all of that has happened. the impact of that far outweighs the time it would take to just have a hearing. and that's what due process is. >> so here's the deal. >> we've let. >> 20 million. something people into the. >> country illegally. >> and now what a lot of folks. >> want to do is use the court system to try to stop as much as possible, the rapid deportation of illegal aliens from the

country. what the president said in the interview was very clear. he was unsure on these deportation cases because of the unusual circumstances, but he was going to defer to his brilliant lawyers and said, quote, we are going to follow what the supreme court says. there is no outrage here. that's worth it. but we have been invaded by millions upon millions of people. and he was elected to get them out. he was elected to get them out. and what some people are proposing is a is a backlog system that will never allow us to go. >> you're describing illegal immigration, which has been around for a long time as an invasion, which is fine for you if you want to do that. but why is that unusual that there's a process to go through to deport people? i mean, that's actually just how the. >> system. >> you know, how long it takes for this process, this paperwork to get people out. the guy that we've all been weeping and gnashing teeth over, the, you know, guy we sent to el salvador, was in the country 14 years illegally. what about we've got millions of people who have gamed the system, and

now i'm going to. >> believe in. >> the constitution or you don't. >> and i believe in the sovereignty of the united states, or you don't either. >> do you believe in the. >> i believe in the sovereignty of the united states. and i believe and i believe we. >> don't believe that. donald trump should abide by the constitution. >> just a serious question. of course i do. >> and of course, i believe. >> do you believe that he does. >> and i believe that he will follow, just as he said, what the supreme court says. but the policy debate is worth. >> having the very beginning. >> millions upon millions of people are here. >> and they. >> will not leave. and he. >> has always believed in executive. >> order, always. >> always from the very beginning. from 2016, he has believed in executive overreach. we've all seen that. he said it. it was clear. are you saying now that you don't believe that he believes in executive overreach? >> i believe that he believes his mandate from the american people is to solve illegal immigration. and i would ask you the same question in reverse, did joe biden, when he said he would faithfully uphold and execute the laws of this land, not mean it when he decided to let millions upon millions of people into the country because he did not execute the law.

>> i thought that you were going to squirm out of that, that that question. i'm not squirming. yes, you did, and that's why i prepared for it. because i want to read you something. at the core of trump's candidacy is a call to for greater executive authority with willful disregard for the constitutional limits placed on our chief executive. trump especially promises to force individual companies to do things he wants them to do, or else he promises punishment to those who displease him, which appeals to the miserable man at the. airport bar. you recognize that? >> yeah, i wrote it. >> exactly. >> and here's. >> what he hasn't changed. what has changed about you? >> and here's the difference between then and now. this country has been invaded. the president was elected so your opinion on the constitution? no, my opinion is the president needs to pull every lever he can to solve illegal immigration. >> you've answered that question by saying, if you don't mind him being unconstitutional. >> that every immigrant here is the same. you can't believe that because they're not. they're not. >> i do. >> some good. there's some bad. there's some criminals.

>> i believe i believe everybody who's here illegally is here illegally. not all are violent, but all are here illegally. >> how do you differentiate if nobody gets a hearing, if you don't have due process, how do you distinguish one from the other? well, so what you're saying is every person that's here in this country is a criminal, is a gang member, should be thrown in jail. >> every person who's here illegally, every person who is here illegally, is in fact a criminal. some of them do come here and commit violent crimes and still aren't deported. >> if you don't. >> have a well, some have records and some don't. i'll have to break the news. they're all going away. >> i want to make sure that we're not straying from the point of this conversation, which is a question about due process rights. and so i'll just ask really quickly, do you believe that undocumented immigrants have to have due process rights, that that's constitutionally what they are entitled to? >> i'm unsure of what that means in the context of some of the cases that we've been dealing with in the news lately, because i've been looking at these people who have been here for 14 years, have been through numerous immigration. all right. well, i have a question. >> about. what does that mean?

all right. >> yes. >> i agree. >> but what does it mean? >> let me bring the supreme court into this since you brought them up. this is what two different supreme court justices have said about this issue in the past. >> do undocumented immigrants. >> have the five freedoms? >> oh, i think so. i think anybody who's present in the united states has protections under the united states constitution. >> the 14th amendment. it doesn't speak of citizens as some some constitutions grant rights to citizens. but our constitution says persons and the person is every every person who is here documented or undocumented. >> bhatia i wonder why it's so difficult to understand a pretty simple concept. if trump wants to deport illegal immigrants, he can do that, but he ought to do

it legally. do you think that that is a fair thing to say at this moment? >> i do. >> i do think the media is pulling. another dictator. >> for a day hoax right now, because it's clear when trump said, i don't know what he meant was what he finished his sentence saying, which is i don't know where the supreme court is going to come down. on whether deporting these illegal migrants is constitutional or not. it's very obvious. and yet every single headline. >> you just called it a hoax. so let's just play. can we play it again in the control room? what trump said in response to kristen welker. we're getting it up right now. >> can i. >> make an. >> oath to. >> uphold the constitution of the united states as president? >> i don't know, i have to respond by saying, again, i have brilliant lawyers that work for me, and they are going to obviously follow what the

supreme court said. >> what's wrong with that? >> so the supreme court is going to decide which what is constitutional and what is not. and trump just committed 100% to following what the supreme court says. i just want to make one more. >> very. very quick point. there's another clip. do we have the other one where he talks about whether citizens deserve due process? if we do, let's play that one. >> your secretary. >> of state. >> says. >> everyone who is here, citizens. and non-citizens deserve due process. do you agree? mr. i don't know, i'm not i'm not a lawyer, i don't know. well, the fifth amendment says. >> i don't know, it seems it seems it might say that. but if you're talking about that, then we'd have to have a million or 2 million or 3 million trials. >> so can i respond to that? yeah. so what does it mean for an illegal immigrant to have due process? we would all agree that they do not have the same level of due process that we do. for example, we are entitled to a jury trial, and they are entitled to a hearing before an

immigration judge. do you know who the immigration judges work for? they work for the executive branch. they work. >> for which means that they. >> work for donald trump. >> well, you're actually making a great you're making. >> a great the due process that they get. >> but donald trump doesn't even want to give him even that due process. i mean, i think that that's part of the problem. >> sure. the level to which they are entitled. >> he didn't ask. about what level of due process. >> very basic statement. >> no, i mean, the reason i'm jumping in here is because she did not ask him, what do should they have a jury trial? should they not have a jury trial? she just said the whatever process they are entitled to, if they're immigrants and they're in an immigration proceeding, then yeah, you're absolutely right. it's a different type of proceeding. it's actually more of an administrative proceeding. it's a. >> much lower standard. >> still, even still, they are trying to circumvent that minimal amount of due process. why is that? the question is why. >> the. i'll give you an

example in the example of kilmar abrego garcia, i believe he already got his due process. he had a deportation order. so for trump to be asked, does that man deserve more due process? i think the answer is absolutely not. i don't want another dime of my taxpayer dollars to go to. >> he was not. >> supposed to be sent. >> to el salvador. >> he had deportation. >> let's put kilmar abrego garcia to the side for just. >> just letting. >> him know. i know that you. >> are someone who. >> but i also. >> think very legitimately say does not need any more due process. >> well, it's not trump's decision to decide that. i think that's the end of the story is that it's not trump who decides whether when the due process ends, it's it's a process for a reason. >> to unilaterally decide this person is good. this person is bad. because i saw a picture of fake tattoos or whatever it is. you have to have. >> they're not fake, by the way. >> you have to. >> you literally. >> committed to following what the supreme court says. >> why does. >> he just said bring the man

back? he still has. >> they said they said facilitate which is different. >> facilitate. so i love i love when people wrestle as a writer. i love people wrestle. over terms of art. >> has he facilitated. >> they said they they said they would accept him back. i mean, they've made that pretty clear. but that's different than effectuate. it's different than is it not. >> legal standard for facilitating. the supreme court said that for a reason, because they could not mandate it, because what if it cost going to war or something? the supreme court doesn't have the power to authorize that. that's why the supreme court was limited to facilitate, because they could not mandate. >> so stephen miller stephen miller says the right of due process is to protect citizens from their government, not to protect foreign trespassers from removal. due process guarantees the rights of criminal defendants facg prosecution, not in illegal alien facing deportation. dante. >> well. >> i think we just heard from two very well respected supreme court justices that said, there is no distinction. if you're in america, you have the right to due process. the levels can be different. and in fact, it is. if you're an immigrant, you're

not entitled to the same legal standard that someone else has to prove. if you're a citizen in criminal court, which makes it easier, which means he should be willing to say, i have proof that this is a person that needs to leave this country. and if you show that in a court, it's determined or hearing, then they have the right to leave. you have the right to remove them. but you can't just randomly pick people and say everybody's bad. >> random. >> everybody's bad, so everybody's out no matter what. >> well, some of them have been random. i think that that's why we're having this conversation. there have been there's a lot of documented evidence that people have been picked up. the only evidence against them is the existence of tattoos. and that is exactly why due process exists. and i mean, we can talk about kilmar abrego garcia all day long, and i think that's a worthy discussion, but you cannot ignore that the the other types of cases are happening. and that's one of the reasons why this is in court. >> yeah. and not only that, i want. >> to push back something. >> push back on something that you said about what he meant was it feels like we play that game with him a lot. he is saying and looking at us and saying and answering the question exactly how he was asked it. and so when

we get into this whole well, he didn't really mean it that way. it's giving him a free pass to basically play these kinds of games. >> he was very clear. >> it was. to follow the law. >> he said, i will follow the supreme court, period. you heard him. >> he was asked about the constitution, correct. he was asked about the constitution. he was. >> asked about. he was asked about the specific issue regarding fifth amendment rights and due process rights. and then he said, then he said, and then. >> he. >> said, we're going to follow the follow the supreme. >> court, unfortunately, with his actions are so loud, it's hard to believe him. >> but listen, i keep the reason i wanted to play that is because i think jamal is right. right. i think it's actually pretty disingenuous to suggest he didn't say what he said. she was asked. she said to him, kristen welker the fifth amendment says that they do have due process rights. and he says, i don't know, it seems it might say that, but if you're talking about that, we might have a million or 2 million or 3 million trials. yes. look, it's. >> a legitimate. >> position in this country. we teach high schoolers to read the constitution. why is it that the

standard for the president of the united states seems to be lower? >> he has a he has a legitimate policy question about what kind of process it takes to get someone out of. >> the country. >> he's looking at millions upon millions of people sitting here, some for years upon years, going through endless systems, endless paperwork. and he's asking a legitimate question. it is. not legitimate. >> policy question. it's a constitutional. >> question because. >> not because they're not. >> saying. >> because you just said there's different levels of due process. and he's asking, do you have to give them this level, or do you have to give him this level? and what's the supreme court ultimately going to say. >> about planes and sending them away without giving them any kind of hearing? >> well, i agree. with the person that's been in the news, had plenty of hearings and plenty of plenty of time. >> i mean, i think it's apparent to people at home that it's easy to divert to kilmar abrego garcia. >> because the news every day. >> yeah, yeah, i understand that. but i mean, the broader principle is what's at question here. and that's actually what he was asked about was, generally speaking, do people

deserve to to at least say, hey, that's not me? >> absolutely. >> that's a pretty basic question. if someone came to you and said, oh, scott jennings, are you the scott jennings from colorado who committed a murder, wouldn't you want to raise your hand and say, your honor, that's not me. >> well, i'm not a foreign terrorist, and i if i didn't come here. >> everybody in this process is not easy. how do. >> you know if they're a foreign terrorist? if you don't ask the question? >> in the case of. >> garcia. >> you get it. >> we know that's the. >> but you're pointing to one case and ignoring all. >> we also have to address this. this point you keep making about how long it's taken, the pace of the deportations. it wouldn't have taken so long if donald trump had not killed the immigration bill that was was going to provide more judges to help facilitate more of these things. you can't have it both ways and say it's taken a long time. so we're not going to put more planes, more, more prisons in there. >> will never. >> get them all out. >> and the message. >> is clear. >> we will, we will, we will red tape this to death, and we will never get rid of the invasion.

>> so you don't want. so you run over the constitution because you're tired and you want to. >> go faster in el salvador or whatever. and they didn't do anything wrong. it was the wrong person, right? would that matter to you? >> i don't think. >> garcia was. >> the wrong person. >> it should matter. we're not asking. >> the question. >> right. we're talking about generally. it can happen if you don't have due process, i should matter. >> i would care if it was the wrong person. but in the case of. >> garcia, to prevent that. >> in the case of garcia, i have no doubt it was the right person. so put him little. >> side, put him to the side. if the wrong person is sent, it should matter. and the only way to make sure it's the right person. >> what's the circumstance? >> process? >> are they here illegally? do they have a deportation order? did they beat their wife? did they get picked up for human trafficking? >> don't tell me. >> you know what, scott? actually, i think that you're again, if they have a deportation order, that's actually a different circumstances. a lot of these people, maybe most of them who they tried to deport under the alien enemies act, it's not clear that they did. so that's part of the problem as well. look, past presidents have deported a lot of people. yes, many, many people. and they've done so under the law. so i don't think it's impossible for trump.

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the details, like many of his recent economic moves, are unclear. but if you're wondering where he got this idea, a source tells cnn the president met with actor and vocal supporter jon voight over the weekend. then trump made the announcement, sending shockwaves across the industry. you may also remember trump named voight as one of his special ambassadors to hollywood, along with stallone and mel gibson. but i personally am curious what gibson thinks of this idea since his film the passion of the christ the sequel begins filming this summer in italy. jason carter joins us in our fifth seat at the table. he's a former georgia state senator and president jimmy carter's grandson. you know, this is not so much about hollywood because, you know, whatever, they'll figure it out. but it's a question about trump's decision making. and its this another conversation about with nick saban produced an executivetive order on on coe athlete payments. thlast

person to whisper in his ear gets apparently an executive order. >> yeah. i mean, he. >> talked to a waitress. >> and came with no tax. >> on tips, right? i mean, there's a lot of questions. >> but the biggest problem that. i have. >> with it, and we've been talking. >> about it this whole time. >> is it's about. >> why is one person making all of these decisions right now? right. the president under both parties has probably gotten to be too strong. where is congress? why is congress? we haven't talked about congress in a month, it seems like, on any program because we're trying to figure actually. yeah, right. months. right. and so the question then is why is it that it's all about the president? it leads to bad policy. it's a big problem. it's got constitutional problems for both parties. and the question is, is he going to be able to deliver it? it looks like the answer is no. >> and the thing is, it is a real problem in terms of hollywood having to shoot movies elsewhere to try to keep costs down. so he was actually i can't believe i'm saying that he was actually right about this. the. >> you know, you would come down. >> on this. yeah, i know he was actually right about that. the thing is, he presented a bad solution. and, you know, they're

not necessarily stealing jobs. they found it easier to take americans crew and personnel here over to other countries to fix this. and what's also not clear is if jon voight he didn't propose this as a solution. i think it appears, based off the reports, that i think they were thinking more along the lines of, you know, different states or maybe even a national federal film tax credit, which a lot of works, which works really well. right. that's a good solution. >> including georgia, by the way. >> and fortunately, if you look at the late reporting today, the white house has said that the president is looking at having meetings with hollywood executives that they're studying the idea. and he said, quote, i don't want to hurt the industry. i want to help the industry. it sounds like to do that. >> before you put that out on truth social, though. >> he announces the policy and then says, oh, actually, we're going to go back and maybe look at it later. >> well, i want do you want him to have meetings or not? >> i want him to have the meetings before he actually says something that that actually matters. >> i think we have to think about how he is dominating the

kind of. information, attention, economies. and if you look at the number of tweets he put out in the first 100 days of his last term, he has put out three times as many so truth social posts. he has outpaced any president in a number of executive orders, and he's golfing every weekend. so that means that what he's doing is just simply overwhelming people. it's like a spaghetti windmill, throwing everything at the wall. see what sticks. and we talk about it. he talks. he follows up with that thing. but if you have a 1500 true, true social tweets, he's not following every one of them because he doesn't get everybody talking. and i think that that is a problem for us because people can't organize either resistance or even conversation around what he's doing because they are so completely overwhelmed by the fact he's pumping out so much stuff. >> well, he he's also i mean, i think that's that his strategy of overwhelming people is right. i think we also have to think

about what happens on the weekends at the white house, because that's the wild west for trump and his social media use. but he also seems to think that tariffs are the answer to everything. and i know that you agree with him on that. actually. but he keeps going after the dolls. okay. here's what he said to nbc about this issue of whether or not girls are going to be able to have the dolls that they want for the holidays. >> i'm just saying they don't need to have $30. they can have three. they don't need to have 250 pencils. they can have five. what i'm saying is that that you don't, that they young lady, a ten year old girl, a nine year old girl, a 15 year old girl doesn't need $37. she could be very happy with 2 or 3 or 4 or 5. >> right? >> i don't get it. it's like, you know, just put the shovel down at a certain point. i mean, this doesn't seem to be the

best argument. >> like 4 or. >> 5 pencils. you know what? this is kind of making me think a lot about is the fact that every rich person i know, their daughter has 2 or 3 dolls, maybe a couple american girl dolls, 2 or 3 expensive nice dolls, and no crap from china. but if you go into a person's house, that floor is littered with broken toys from the dollar store. >> so now we're shaming people. >> for being >> smart. baie shaming. >> barbecue rays. >> to make enough y to make the same decisions that every rich person is already making, and keeping the cheap toys away from their kids and the people braying the loudest about this are the people who would never let their kids buy those crappy toys. and it is so offensive to me, because when you talk to working class people, they sound just like the president. they would love to be buying high quality stuff for their kids instead of 1000 cheap things that are going to break

immediately because that's what they can afford. >> that's the worst, worst, worst, worst, worst defense of donald trump. because china makes 80% of all toys sold in this country, and 90% of all christmas goods sold in this country. we have a lot of leverage with china. the christmas and the doll industry is not one of them. right. when you're starting, start rationing dolls for american people. you're losing the argument. it's giving. scrooge vibes, is it a good thing that we're so dependent on china for anything? it's not a good thing or bad, but. >> you're passionately arguing for it. >> what i'm arguing, what i'm saying is that he's losing the argument because this idea of like, oh, we can buy american girl dolls, and all of us will be just so happy. well, 80, 80% of all toys, not not. >> can i offer. >> can i offer another look at this? hold on a second. let me. let's think about this. like, for real. like people who really don't have a lot of money, they

are. here's what they're really thinking. they're not thinking i want to buy the most expensive doll for my child. they're thinking, i want to buy a doll for my child so that i can also afford food. i can also afford clothes. i can also afford to send them to school. so the idea that the the whole thing is about buying more and more expensive goods, that seems to completely miss the point about what's happening in terms of people who are actually struggling in this country. >> is, is that the reason they can only afford toys from china is because we cannot afford to consume the product of the american worker because of the offshoring of manufacturing. if they were making the toys, they would be able to afford them. this was fordism. this was the democrats idea for 100 years. >> okay, sorry, but like, isn't there a values judgment here that says it is more important to manufacture chips, you know, computer chips here than it is to manufacture dolls and that

it's okay for china to manufacture dolls because we don't really need that doll industry. so much. and what's wrong? because because it's fine. >> why is why is it okay to cede anything to china? they're the enemy also. i mean. you. >> let's let's. >> china this or that. why? why do i have to cede anything to. >> the. >> next in line for the shoe factory over here? and then first in line for the doll factory over here? >> on the one hand, you're saying that they have to have access to 30 cheap dolls. on the other hand, you're saying, why do we need to make dolls? we need to make what americans consume. it's not important to have one factory over another. it's important for working class people to have access to the american dream. >> jason, are you ready. >> to get. >> my only point is this. we are talking about dolls. the president is talking about dolls like i live in georgia. what people are talking about there, it's not dolls. they don't want to see the president worrying about dolls. they do? yes. want to see them bring prices down on the staples of their lives. right. let's look at inflation. let's look at the way that people's 401 s are getting destroyed. let's look at this variety of other things. >> out there. you got to say we

live in georgia. >> we we live. >> i mean. >> look, my only. >> point. >> is this like like like how we ended up with the president of the united states spending all this time on dolls. it just blows my mind. like i think he's going to have to start delivering on the promises that he's made. and so far, it's all distraction. let's talk about barbie. let's talk about alcatraz. let's talk about hollywood. >> he attracted $1.5 trillion in manufacturing to this country in the last 100 days. how can you not acknowledge that as a win? >> but maybe he should stop telling people that their stuff is about to get more expensive. it clearly the the money he whatever he's brought in in investments is not addressing the affordability issue that he acknowledges is there? >> well, it. might it might produce high paying jobs for the american people. >> all right. we'll see. we will see if that happens and if those investments actually materialize. coming up next for us. forget gitmo. donald trump now wants to reopen alcatraz to send america's most, most ruthless prisoners there. we're going to debate the merits of that.

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idea. >> well, i guess i was supposed to be a moviemaker. nobody's ever escaped from alcatraz and just represented something strong having to do with law and order. we need law and order in this country. and so we're going to look at it. some of the people up here are going to be working very hard on that. >> was the president watching too many movies this weekend, or. >> some have suggested that. >> the this is the era of doge, the idea of reopening a prison that's been closed for many, many decades because it just doesn't make sense to house people there. why? >> well, does it i don't know, he said he was going to study it. i mean, we have a prison overcrowding problem. you've been fussing about recently, him sending american criminals overseas to their prisons. don't we need more prisons in the united states? >> what's wrong with it? >> okay, okay. well, okay. >> i mean, what's the matter? >> all right. >> let's let's take it at face value. why? alcatraz? it costs three times as much to put

prisoners there than put them. you could go put them in. >> the desert. you're on an actuarial study on it. >> over the weekend. >> all right, let me let me. >> i mean, we don't know. >> all right, let me hold on. >> what's wrong with studying? >> all right. don't take my word for it. don't take my word for it. here's the federal bureau of prisons. alcatraz closed after 29 years of operation because the institution was too expensive to continue operating. an estimated 3 to 5 million was needed just for restoration and maintenance work to keep the prison open. that figure did not include the daily operating costs. alcatraz was nearly three times more expensive to operate than any other federal prison. in the middle of a body of water. >> what would it cost to build a new one? how many millions? i don't know, but i know we need more prisons. i know we need more space. >> all right. you know, it's also. >> fine to study it. i don't have a problem with studying. >> what you know. it's also possible to say this doesn't seem to make a. >> lot of sense. it's got to call it a dumb idea. you know that, right? okay. because. i mean, i don't know. i don't know. >> that doesn't make is all. >> that sold on this idea. to be honest, i think it just popped into his head and he said it out

loud. >> yeah. >> it's theatrics and it's interesting theatrics. and if it's going to generate a bunch of discussion again, my question repeatedly is if we have a problem, why don't we tackle it like we've always tackled other problems? congress looks at it. they say, let's spend some money. here's how much it costs. here's what we need, here's what we're trying to do. but that's not really what this is about. it's about i'm powerful and i want to. >> you're not allowed to have an idea. >> but it's also like his obsession with symbols and imagery. you know, the the wall, whether it was going to be effective or not. it was really about the symbol of it. it is making a parade out of these deportations. it is about the imagery of that. it's about him questioning mount rushmore. if you just look through the things that animate him, about what he really gets excited about is about branding. it is about imagery. it is about kind of this nationalism, the fact that they're going to consider probably, i guess, now really have this military parade. we don't need a military parade. we don't need to spend millions or maybe hundreds of millions of

dollars to do that. but we want to do it because he has to feed his image. monster. >> he he said it himself. he wants he maybe he. >> are you thinking of. >> himself as a movie maker? >> the military. >> hundred million dollars on it. you cannot be cutting tens of thousands of federal workers at the same time. you say, we're going to waste money on a military parade. why is it wasting? it is wasteful. why? it is. what do we need to show off our military force? well, that strong. >> military strongman. >> strongman that has nothing to do with pride in the military. strong men do that because they want to make their citizens cower. they want to say, we are strong, i am here, i have all these weapons. aren't you proud of me? we don't need to do that. we know that our military is, you know, multiples the size of anybody else's military on the planet. we don't need them to bring the missiles down pennsylvania avenue in order for us to know that. >> it's not about the size. in the last four years, morale in the military was down, recruitment was down. there is a concerted effort going on right now at the pentagon, and it's

already successful to enhance recruitment and to enhance pride. and the idea of joining the military. i think you all are. >> discounting. discounting the idea. >> that a national. military parade for our military to to show off our military, to show pride in the veterans that have defended this country. and you all are mad. >> about veterans. he was just trying to rename veterans day. >> i love i'm. >> super proud of our military, but i don't think we should waste money. i think that the worst thing for morale that i've seen is pete hegseth is the defense. >> that's the worst. have. >> for morale. >> the literal worst thing. >> i think pretty much. i mean, it's embarrassing. if you want to embarrass. >> talk to a rank and file military person, they'll tell you the wet blanket. >> is off. the conversation. we weren't planning on it going toward military parades, but since you brought up recruitment, speaking of money, the number one thing that has helped boost recruitment is giving them more, giving recruits more money, which began under the previous administration, president biden. so you're right that recruitment is improving, but it's also because we're giving

them funds, encouraging them to. >> join. one tiny observation, roger goodell, the nfl commissioner who was standing next to trump, looked like he was his life in that moment. they came there for this great announcement to talk about the nfl draft coming to washington, d.c., which will obviously a lot of money into d.c. and he is just sitting there looking as miserable as possible. >> all right. >> let me sorry, roger. >> you know, the i mean, i'm fascinated by this alcatraz thing. i mean, trump also made up this story about what happened to inmates who tried to escape alcatraz. >> nobody ever escaped. one person almost got there. but they, as you know the story, they found his clothing rather badly ripped up. and it was a lot of shark bites, a lot of lot of problems. nobody's ever escaped from alcatraz. >> policy by movie script writing. i mean, this would be a great movie, but. >> it was a great. >> movie. >> but it did destroy alcatraz.

>> yeah, he's the president of the united states. i mean, what is going on here? >> you know i have to just bring up something about trump and prisons and no one ever talks about he never gets credit for, which is the first step act. he released 5000 black men from prison, and he never gets any credit for this. he was one of the i mean, the first president in decades to actually shrink the population in our prisons. i just dispute this idea that he's some sort of like, you know, that the nationalism is, is somehow, like, dangerous to americans. we need a dose of that. we need a dose of thinking about like, which americans should we be helping? which americans should we be focused on, which vulnerable americans deserve our attention? and i think that this presidency is really. >> thinking that black men have to do with alcatraz. >> well, look, okay. >> i will. all i will say is that i do think that. trump trump probably does deserve more credit for the first step act. but you also have to acknowledge very recently he has made it very clear he would like to

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>> eva longoria searching for spain sunday at nine on cnn. >> we're back and it's time for the news. nightcap. the met gala edition. tonight is fashion's biggest event where celebrities descend on the metropolitan museum in their high fashion outfits, and there is a long list of things that they cannot do once they are inside. no phones, no social media, no selfies, no vaping. no parsley, onions or garlic on the menu. you each have 30s to tell us what would you ban from your party, but you? >> i would ban people who don't drink. stop coming to shabbat dinner and not drinking wine because everyone else is drinking and everybody else is going to have no idea what they said the next day. and you're going to remember what everyone said. it's not fair. >> that that actually is a fair point. >> i said what i said. >> i would ban, much like the met gala. i would ban cell phones because people don't dance no more. that's all they do. is this. yes. all they do is. >> cell. >> phones and everywhere. yes. i want to get back to dancing and have those sweaty house parties

that we all used to love and and sweating our hair out and everything. i can't tell you the last time i've been to a party where that's. >> happened, and you're worried about it because of the because you're worried about the pictures? >> no, it's just no. other people are worried about them. that's true. that's right. >> my my two cents. i think i said i would ban nothing. i mean, it's a party like y'all are from karens out here. like, you don't want people to do this. if you want to eat a bunch of chives and stink like, like all fine, like breathe fire if you want to, but it's a party. let's, like, do what we want out here. >> well, at a at a gala like the met gala. i don't like the props like you are. enough. dress up. your outfit says enough. you say enough. your personality says enough. don't bring your. >> no, no grand piano. >> no, none of it. none of it. yes. >> yeah. you know, i don't like props either. in general. like in life. >> i don't hate dancing in dresses. his intro, that's all i going to say on the couch. >> i have multiple things i would get rid of, but the like, the older i get ambient noise, i can't hear anybody. i go to these parties. i went to these

parties at the white house correspondent. i couldn't hear anybody. i literally couldn't hear a thing that was being said. so i would like a decibel police to go around. and if it gets too loud or you're allowed talker or you're playing the music, i'll tell you something. >> else, like. >> no music. >> i don't like, maybe i don't like. >> i just think you don't like parties. >> i don't like foods that have more than two ingredients. like, i don't want stuff with yuzu and ube infused kimchi with a matcha dust. can you just give me a vienna sausage with, like, a fork or a, like, a little toothpick in it? that's all i really need. so loud noise. >> ingredient. >> and ridiculous. >> ingredients. that's what i want. i just want something simple. >> i don't burst vienna sausage bubble. okay, that's. all right, everybody. thank you very much. next for the for 90s air traffic controllers couldn't see the planes that they were directing. a safety crisis is developing tonight at newark airport. we'll tell you about it. >> to understand the world, you

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